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HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!
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ID: 10652 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Mel Matsuoka
Date: 2007-02-28 11:19:05

Subject: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

(crossposted from the fxphd forums)

So I just found out that I've been assigned to do a demonstration of
Shake for our local Final Cut Pro Users Group meeting tonight (the
usual presenter took violently ill this morning and nobody else could
stand in for him besides me). IM SCARED! :P

Having never formally demoed anything in front of a group of people
before, I would like some pointers, tips and ideas on what/how I
should demo Shake 4.1. My biggest concern is how I explain the
concept and the advantage that nodal compositing has over tools that
this group is more familiar with, such as After Effects and Motion. I
*know* instinctively at this point why nodal is better for complex
shots, but explaining it in simple layman's terms is really difficult
for me to wrap my head around.

Considering that the majority of this group is comprised of beginning
to intermediate FCP users, what would be some good things to
demonstrate that will wow them, get them to ask questions, and not be
bored out of their mind looking at all the noodles on the screen.

Please help!

Thanks in advance!

 
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ID: 10653 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Tim Turner
Date: 2007-02-28 13:26:52

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Simple command line tasks are cool.
Reusing mattes a dozen different ways (no preComping) is another big feature
that AE artists will appreciate.
Viewing one node while working on another.

Tracking that works...
Creating mattes with rotoshape is WAY more fun than AE's matting.


That alone is worth $499

T


> (crossposted from the fxphd forums)
>
> So I just found out that I've been assigned to do a demonstration of
> Shake for our local Final Cut Pro Users Group meeting tonight (the
> usual presenter took violently ill this morning and nobody else could
> stand in for him besides me). IM SCARED! :P
>
> Having never formally demoed anything in front of a group of people
> before, I would like some pointers, tips and ideas on what/how I
> should demo Shake 4.1. My biggest concern is how I explain the
> concept and the advantage that nodal compositing has over tools that
> this group is more familiar with, such as After Effects and Motion. I
> *know* instinctively at this point why nodal is better for complex
> shots, but explaining it in simple layman's terms is really difficult
> for me to wrap my head around.
>
> Considering that the majority of this group is comprised of beginning
> to intermediate FCP users, what would be some good things to
> demonstrate that will wow them, get them to ask questions, and not be
> bored out of their mind looking at all the noodles on the screen.
>
> Please help!
>
> Thanks in advance!

 
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ID: 10654 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: mike.connolly
Date: 2007-02-28 21:33:31

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Explain the flowgraph concept as a series of thoughts/ideas you've
laid down, the fact you can go back to any decision you've made, in
any point in time and change it, and the ability to copy large chunks
of nodes/ideas and use them elsewhere in the job. This totally non-
linear thinking is the key to get the idea across.
Doing a simple A over B comp with a basic key/roto matte would
illustrate this well, and then expand from there.
Stay clear of 2K data for interactive reasons.

Stay simple with your explanations, don't hurry things, and encourage
a Q and A session which will be the best way to include the audience.


Good luck...


mike.c

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ID: 10658 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: mike.connolly
Date: 2007-03-04 22:26:03

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

So, Mel, how did it go?

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ID: 10665 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Mel Matsuoka
Date: 2007-03-07 13:52:57

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!



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(Sorry for this cut-and-paste job which I posted to another forum...)

It actually turned out pretty good. Definitely not an A-list demo
presentation, but good enough to get a few people in the audience
really excited about Shake. After the presentation, I overheard
several of them talking to each other saying that they were going to
go to their school's bookstore to purchase Academic versions of
Shake, because they could get it really cheap, and they didn't
realize how useful it was.

I basically took the approach of selling Shake as "the best plugin
for FCP you can buy". I think that showing them how to hand-roll your
own keyers and stuff would have been completely lost on this group,
so I stayed away from geekery like that.

I demonstrated the "Send to Shake" integration from FCP, using a
multilayer FCP sequence to feed a Shake Multiplane node (which was a
bit funny to me, being that I've never really used the Shake
Multiplane, since I much prefer using AE's 3D system over Shake's...I
fumbled a bit during this part, especially on my small Macbook Pro
screen). I also showed motion tracking (including offset tracking and
using keyframe assistants), and using the Tracker data from one node
to control both a Quickpaint clone tool to remove a logo from a
persons clothing, as well as to track a RotoShape using the same data.

But by far, people were most impressed with the SmoothCam node. This
is the perfect instant gratification demo you can do in Shake. I
stabilized an 1080p24 HD sequence, showing them the actual analysis
stage of the SmoothCam node, then showing them the before & after.
This part of the demo was like giving free candy to a kid...a demo-
monkey's button for "instant coolness"

Another cute thing which I consciously made a point to show was the
reason why the program is called "Shake". I removed nodes from
noodles using the silly "shake it till it breaks off" gesture. Of
course i never do this in real life, but it was still a fun thing to
show.

The one thing I had the most difficulty with was explaining the
concept of concatenation of node operations. I showed them the
difference between FCP and Shake color-correction workflows (creating
a a crunchy, desaturated bleach-bypass look), and was able to show
them how FCP's 3-way color-corrector destroys the data for good,
whereas you can dial back even the most extreme color operations back
to normal in Shake. I think they were impressed, but not nearly as
impressed as I thought they should be But I still can't figure out a
good, simple analogy which can explain what concatenation is to an
audience of complete and total compositing/color-correction newbies.

It also took awhile for them to grok the process tree paradigm. But
once I compared it to an After Effects filter or layer stack, it made
more sense to them. I compared a node tree with a stack of filters in
AE, where the effects of each filter is compounded upon each other
from a top down direction. When I showed them, however, that what
makes Shake so powerful is that you can non-linearly look at the
results of that "stack" at any point in the stack, without having to
constantly turn "eyeballs" on or off, there was an audible gasp of
understanding from most of the audience. It's probably not the most
accurate analogy to use, but I think the concept is still sound,
especially considering that a lot of these people barely use AE or
even Motion, so anything more abstract in terms of explaining nodal
"process trees" and whatnot would have whizzed right over their heads.

Sassi is right, though...I've been to NAB 4 times now, sat through
many, many many product demos, and it has always looked easy to me,
and definitely looked fun to do. I always figured, if you knew the
software inside and out, and have a passion for imparting that
knowledge to others, how hard can it be?

Well, it's definitely harder than it looks Even simple, stupid
things--like making sure that you're zoomed in close enough to
whatever area of the screen you want them to look at, so it's clearly
visible on the projector screen--were anything but second nature to
me. I found myself moving nodes and noodles around and talking
excitedly about them, not realizing that I was zoomed out too far in
the node view most of the time...simply because that's the way i'm
used to working in Shake in the "real world".

One thing that I found useful as a newbie demo-guy: Have at least one
"shill" in the audience, who can ask good questions for you at the
drop of a hat during those times when you're tongue tied, or when a
part of your demo is not working like it's supposed to, and you get a
bit derailed. Thankfully a friend of mine showed up to the meeting
and did just that It was truly a godsend, and also helped to get
other people to start asking questions as well.

So although i didn't get a standing "o", or even rip-roaring
applause, now that I've done it once, I would feel much less
hesitation in doing it again!

Thanks for everyone's advice!

Aloha,
mel



--
Mel Matsuoka
Chief Science Officer
Montaj 9 - Honolulu, HI

vox: 808.566.6825 - fax: 808.566.6821 - e-mail:

 
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ID: 10666 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Richard Mench
Date: 2007-03-07 16:01:48

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Mel -- Congratulations. Sounds like a big success... Time to ask for
a pay raise, I'd say!!

Enjoyed your recount of it.

Mike

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ID: 10667 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Gary Jaeger
Date: 2007-03-07 16:26:26

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

I've wondered about this. Didn't shake start as a strictly command
line tool with no GUI? Was it not called shake then, or was the
behavior added to match the name?

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ID: 10668 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Eddie Offermann
Date: 2007-03-07 17:06:34

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Shake 1.x was "gui-less" I think, though I've been guilty of making
the "shake the node loose" joke before, myself.

I've always heard that Shake (and its companion hardware-accelerated
variant "Tremor") were so named as a joking reference to Nothing
Real's headquarters in California.

It sounds like the presentation went off well - and at Shake's current
price point, it's certainly an attractive add

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ID: 10669 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Matt Plec
Date: 2007-03-08 08:56:31

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Yes, shake 1.0 was strictly command line. 2.0 added the gui. As I remember,
the shake-the-node-to-detach behavior was originally in Media Illusion way
back when.
Matt.

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ID: 10670 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: shake
Date: 2007-03-08 07:46:48

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!
 
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ID: 10671 (copy to link to this post directly)
Thread: 10652
Owner: Randy Little
Date: 2007-03-08 10:14:11

Subject: Re: HELP! I have to demo Shake in front of a group of newbies!!!!

Nice. and Great work on 300 Chris.

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